This week, Vanessa and Casper explore the theme of Apathy in Chapter Four of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! They discuss the physical integrity of Number Twelve Grimmauld Place, all caps Harry, and the Weasley siblings' approach to delicate situations. Throughout the episode we consider the question: what emotions are hiding beneath our apathy? Next week we're reading Chapter 5, The Order of the Phoenix, with Matt through the theme of Comparison.